{"id":8450,"date":"2011-10-15T13:22:05","date_gmt":"2011-10-15T18:22:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/?p=8450"},"modified":"2012-12-21T02:01:50","modified_gmt":"2012-12-21T07:01:50","slug":"rothenberg-o-alt0246","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/2011\/10\/15\/rothenberg-o-alt0246\/","title":{"rendered":"rothenberg M\u00f6bius subject alt0246"},"content":{"rendered":"

Rothenberg on page 201: For Lacan … every<\/em> individual becomes a subject in an encounter with the Other (an Other that is far from radically other<\/em>). This encounter functions as the extimate cause of the subject*<\/span>: every subject is non-self-coincident; every subject incorporates the other at its core; every subject’s inside is an outside<\/span>.\u00a0 Every subject is, from the get-go, a M\u00f6bius subject<\/span>.<\/p>\n

:): Rothenberg argues that in the encounter with another person, the very fact that we can never know what we mean to the other person, their interpretation of our message as we speak to them.\u00a0 This is because of the excessive nature of our relations with other humans. When she says this other is at the core of ourselves, R is suggesting that we’re never in control, we are not the centred subject, an egological “I”.\u00a0 But this isn’t new.<\/p>\n

We can recall first that the M\u00f6bius subject’s excess or non-self-coincidence derives from its inability to know its own meaning for others. … The subject’s experience of its own excess provides the motive for entering into the social relation, criss-crossed by fantasy though it is<\/span>. 202<\/p>\n

The encounter with the other functions as the extimate cause of the subject*\u00a0\u00a0 The M\u00f6bius subject incorporates the other at it core. Every M\u00f6bius subject begins its social life as an extimate subject \u2014 its fundament is already a function of otherness<\/span>. 202<\/p>\n

In the extimate version, the subject must perpetually seek a response from the others because, in fact, the subject will never be sure of the meaning of the response it gets, yet the subject has nowhere else to go to get it.<\/span>\u00a0 The other is not radically other \u2014 it is close enough to the subject in kind to warrant the desire for relationship while distant enough in its ability to fulfill the subject’s deepest desire to maintain its otherness.\u00a0 At the same time, the “other” to whom the subject relates does not truly exist in the way the subject believes: this other is a fantasmatic projection of a wish.\u00a0 So the subject has a relation of nonrelation to the actual others in the social space<\/span>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Rothenberg on page 201: For Lacan … every individual becomes a subject in an encounter with the Other (an Other that is far from radically other). This encounter functions as the extimate cause of the subject*: every subject is non-self-coincident; every subject incorporates the other at its core; every subject’s inside is an outside.\u00a0 Every … Continue reading “rothenberg M\u00f6bius subject alt0246”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[83,24,15],"tags":[143],"class_list":["post-8450","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-agency","category-lacan","category-subjectivity","tag-excessive"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8450","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8450"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8450\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8452,"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8450\/revisions\/8452"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8450"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8450"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.terada.ca\/discourse\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8450"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}